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    Why I won't renew with ASAE in 2011

    As a young association professional at a small trade association (under 10 employees), an ASAE membership is not something gifted to our staff from the powers at be. Before I had my own membership, I used our Executive Director's membership info if I needed to check a discussion and the Associations Now magazine was a free reading material in the kitchen. Last year I decided to dedicate more time to improving my knowledge of the association industry and figured the $100 Young Association Professional membership was the best place to start.

    I was wrong. That's why I won't renew my ASAE membership for 2011.

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    With so many amazing and brilliant minds regularly conversing about association life on Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc., it quickly became clear to me that I had squandered $100 to read discussions I had already had with people much more keyed in to the topics that mattered to me. Most of the discussions related to marketing, digital strategy, social media, etc. on the ListServ (which I'll get to in a minute) are basic 101 stuff or people looking to start. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but I need more depth. I had hoped that the Members Only discussions would lead to better connections and friendly debates. There aren't many meaningful responses besides a 'great post!' or 'check out the results I had!' I don't know, I just really expected more.

    Ack! The ListServs are such a headache! It's 2010, move away from them. They're clunky and slow moving. Say, isn't that a complaint of most association professionals in their own associations? Way to get us ahead of the curve.

    Frustrated with the ListServs, posted articles, etc., I delved further into my existing networks. As always #assnchat moderated by @kikilitalien remains my favorite resource. For me to dedicate a column of my TweetDeck to the hashtag speaks volumes to me about how worthwhile I find it (even though I've been a neglectful participant for far too long now). If there's anything I missed on that I can always follow up with the Social Media Sweetspot on Fridays (or any of the archives). Since my association has started using the Higher Logic eCommunity platform I also have access to HUG, their private user group, where I can find all sorts of helpful information about reaching our member base better and engaging more people. For free professional groups you can follow there's Engage365, NTEN, YAPstar, etc. For association blogs, I get a ton of benefit from reading Mizz Information, Association Subculture, IdeaArchitects, Acronym Soup, Social Fish, Midcourse Corrections, Splash, Principled Innovation, Jamie Notter and Reid All About It amongst many others (I could seriously list the blogs I read for professional development for hours. . .the industry has no shortage of great minds).

    Also, I have a direct connection to all these bloggers and more through Twitter if I'm ever ready to have a really active conversation. There's also Skype for when 140 characters won't do.

    So with all these resources available, what would the benefit be for me to be a member of ASAE? I can save $300 on a conference. A conference I wouldn't attend and would track from my computer anyways.

    I had a talk with another association professional who was against my departure who said this:

    'Think of the networking and job opportunities you will miss if you aren't a member!'

    Oh, you mean the free job board they have posted and the networking I already do? I would hope that should the day ever come I was leaving my job to move to another association they would take more of my professional qualifications into place and not dismiss me for being an ASAE non-member. If they want me to be a member, I will happily let them pay my dues. . .but I don't see where the point would be.

    So there you have it. Whether you agree or disagree, I would love to hear what my fellow association peeps think.

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    over 1 year ago DarthGarry (Twitter) responded:
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    Another thought on this... there are some great federated "ASAE's" in the US. I am a member of ESSAE and I love it. Being a member of ASAE may seem redundant, and being so far from DC, I find better networking with my local peers.

    I pretty much agree with what you said above regarding easy availability of information and networking on the web sans membership. On the flipside though, many associations offer intangible benefits to membership such as knowing that you are supporting the growth and research in the profession, and legislative initiatives.

    All in all, I think it is everyone's personal decision and right to join or not. It's the association's job to make those dues worth it.

    Garry

    over 1 year ago shellyalcorn (Twitter) responded:
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    Joe -

    This is a very important post. It echoes the frustration expressed by members in every association, not just ASAE. Any association that is failing to recognize this very real, very well articulated issue is destined to struggle and if not outright fail certainly hamper its ability to reach its full potential. As a profession, we must courageously admit to ourselves that membership dues, in their current form, are eventually going to be a thing of the past and consciously plan to transition to new methods of monetization.

    The future is upon you ASAE, are you ready?

    Thanks for writing this and speaking your truth.....

    Shelly

    PS - thanks for the blog shoutout - I appreciate it....

    over 1 year ago Joe Flowers responded:
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    Great comment, Garry! Good call on looking at a local option. I've looked at the Texas SAE and they may be a fit for me. I did have a hard decision feeling like I was abandoning ship. I know that ASAE offers great resources as far as research and government relations, and showing my support by paying dues was another reason for me joining in the first place.
    over 1 year ago deirdrereid (Twitter) responded:
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    Thanks for sharing your reasoning with us. I bet there are many others who feel the same. In fact, I'm one of them. Since I'm now an industry partner and no longer association staff, my dues will increase to $395 from $265 when I renew, if I renew. I'm not sure I see the value, frankly. I haven't made a final decision and won't until the time comes, but it's on my mind.

    It's tough to cut the cord, I feel a sense of loyalty (that's the boomer in me, I guess) and wonder if not being a member will have any implications for my business. I will continue to be an AENC member because I value the face-to-face events and volunteer opportunities with my local association community. Thanks, Joe, for inspiring me to "out" myself on this topic. ;-)

    over 1 year ago VelChain (Twitter) responded:
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    Joe, nicely articulated post! What's most meaningful to me is what you value is spot on with other Digital Natives. You've learned where to go for rich, ongoing professional development and discussion. The amount of no-cost alternatives will increase and your network of influencers will as well.

    At the end of the day, I think its important to fight for a professional development budget that you can spend on the content and networking opportunities that will make you more valuable to your association. There is content out there worth paying for...but the best of it is usually found in face2face gatherings.

    over 1 year ago Elaine_Fogel (Twitter) responded:
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    I did not renew my ASAE membership a while ago for different reasons. I believe that associations need to open up their communities to bring more value to members, not close themselves off.
    over 1 year ago DrDNickelson (Twitter) responded:
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    Re: ASAE: I won't be renewing either; thanks for articulating the reasons why so very well. Also, I echo the comment above about the organization feeling very closed and proprietary, and not particularly open to newcomers or new ideas. Thanks again!
    over 1 year ago KiKi L'Italien responded:
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    I am honored and humbled at the shout out for Association Chat and the Social Media Sweet Spot.

    On the one hand, I consider ASAE my professional home and so I am saddened that it is losing a member like you. On the other, I feel challenged to try to figure out how to help ASAE in my limited capacity as a volunteer to make sure smart and creative people like you don't continue to make the same choice you did.

    All associations are facing similar situations and the association structures that work are changing.

    I need to get down to Texas and meet up with some of my brilliant friends like you down there and solve some of these issues. :-) The right burrito and a good drink will solve anything, right? :-)

    over 1 year ago Joe Flowers responded:
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    Wow - thank you all for the amazing comments! It's good to see how everyone else feels about the state of ASAE and associations.

    VelChain - I agree that face to face is the best way to connect, but with all the social media readily available it's nice to know I can still catch the highlights without having to be there myself.

    Elaine - How do you suggest we start to open up? Is the solution bringing in new talent? Would you start at the top and work down from there? Or should retraining current staff be the catalyst?

    Dr D - 'closed and proprietary' is exactly how I felt - thanks for summing it up so nicely. What would you propose is done to make newbies feel more welcome? Mentoring perhaps?

    over 1 year ago Joe Flowers responded:
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    Kiki - I wouldn't say it if it wasn't true. And you're always welcome in Texas - I'm sure we could convince @JeffHurt to meet up with us for Tex-Mex and drinks as long as it fits in with his crazy jet set lifestyle.
    over 1 year ago DrDNickelson responded:

    Great comments all, and yes Kiki, I agree that a great burrito and a good drink with friends will solve just about anything, at least for that particular evening… J. <o:p></o:p>

    I struggle for a solution; my experience was that unless you had been around long enough that people recognized you as somehow finally belonging there, folks smiled and nodded, but did not really hear.  Thing is, I had been in Assoc. world for over a decade when I joined for the first time, so it’s not like I didn’t have some basic understanding of how things work, and how to navigate within and around NPOs.  Still, it seemed that since folks had not seen me in an ASAE context before, I likely did not have much to offer.<o:p></o:p>

    I like the mentoring idea, but worry that w/o some very specific objectives around the program, it will only serve to reinforce the existing culture and mentor folks into that culture vs. working to change the culture. I realize this is a bit circular; guess my point is I would not want a mentor who saw their role as carefully introducing me to “the way things are done around here”; I’d want one that was willing to mentor me into helping drive change and push new ideas into the discussion and ultimately into implementation.  <o:p></o:p>

    Thoughts are little unformed here, but really appreciate your getting this discussion started!  <o:p></o:p>

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    over 1 year ago sgiarde (Twitter) responded:
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    Excellent job articulating some solid and valid reasons, Joe!

    I think those who get the most value from ASAE are those who are in or around Washington DC. With the exception of the Annual Conference and Great Ideas, there are very few ASAE face2face meetings that are held outside of the DC area. @Darth Garry had a great point...for the rest of us geographic outsiders, we can find the knowledge, connections and camaraderie in our local SAEs and the digital realm.

    over 1 year ago Elaine_Fogel (Twitter) responded:
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    There's an excellent book on this subject entitled, Open Community. Definitely worth reading.
    over 1 year ago Maggie McGary responded:
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    ASAE's loss for sure. I thought long and hard about renewing my membership and when I finally dusted off the invoice and paid it, it was mostly out of appreciation of and support for a handful of ASAE staff who I know personally and respect. My husband is a member so I can read Associations Now at home; I do 99% of my association networking on Twitter, Facebook and/or thru blogs like yours. I think Sandra hit the nail on the head--because I live in (near) DC there is the f2f component of ASAE membership which I suppose ultimately led me to renew--I like going to the occasional idea swap, and this year went to the Tech meeting for the first time, but only because it was local.

    The bottom line, though, is that ASAE doesn't need to worry about my age bracket so whether or not I renewed isn't as important as a young professional like you not renewing. I LOVE your comment about the listservs "Way to get us ahead of the curve." My thoughts exactly--why is ASAE still using those freakin' listservs when they built that member-only community over a year ago? The one that sucks? Ok, I'll digress...but I hear your frustrations and am sure you're not the only one who didn't renew for similar reasons. Like I said, ASAE's loss.

    And thanks, of course, for the blog shout out!

    over 1 year ago Joe Flowers responded:
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    I'm overwhelmed by all the great feedback from all of you! Who needs ASAE with great minds like this!

    The new kid feeling is typical for most associations it seems. We used to give our new members and first time attendees ribbons to wear at our annual conference. Of course, that leads some people to treat them like it's their first week in the biz even if, like Dr D, they had been in their industry for a number of years and were extremely knowledgeable. We've dropped the ribbons because of this.

    Maybe mentor is a bad way to phrase it - I think it's important to have an experienced member help push the new members to let their opinions be heard. We're all members of the same association, we all want it to thrive and succeed, let us all have equal share of the floor whether it's our first or 15th year.

    I'm going to look into the local SAE and see what they have to offer - of course I should plan to steal some ideas from my tweeps (Flashmob anyone?).

    over 1 year ago Jeffrey Cufaude responded:
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    Sounds like you've made an informed decision based on your current professional development needs, habits, and interests. The good thing about our associations is they usually will always be there for us even if we drop in and drop out from time to time.

    I'm on my 20th year of ASAE membership, most of those being ones I've paid for myself. It's hard for me to do a direct evaluation of that investment each year, but I'm fairly certain at some point(s) I get some inspiration, insight, or idea from the ASAE community that pays for the dues. Could that have occurred as a non-member? At this point, probably. But I view my dues as an investment in the profession and insurance for my professional development.

    I'm always disappointed when I learn (as I did in some of the comments above) that people feel an association community is closed or difficult to penetrate. That hasn't ever been my experience with ASAE, but I don't doubt others' perceptions. Is it easy? Hard to say, but my own experience has taught me that (1) the staff are generally very receptive if we just pick up the phone and call and (2) that while opportunities to contribute may not always knock or beat down our doors, they are fairly easy to obtain if we just pursue what interests us most.

    One of my mentors long ago said you have three choices for most situations in life: cope, confront, or quit. Deal with things as they are. Challenge things and try to make them different/better. Leave for other choices that are a better fit. I always hope we are an open enough community so that we hear people's needs and concerns and respond accordingly so that opting out is more the exception rather than the rule.

    And I'm flattered to be included in the blogroll of sources you find informative. Thanks.

    over 1 year ago sjreeves (Twitter) responded:
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    Hi Joe,
    Thanks for the thoughtful post. I would agree with the others that those who benefit the most from ASAE are the DC metro area members. I maintain my membership for networking and my involvement with the Diversity Executive Leadership Program (DELP). My experience with DELP has taught me that the program will only thrive if current scholars and alumni stay involved to hold staff and leadership accountable. Many of the experiences we've had developed solely because the members identified a need and worked to make sure it was met. While I understand your reasons for leaving, I would also encourage you to try to find ways to work with ASAE to make the new/young association professional experience better. There are a number of members who share your frustration and collectively, you can have an impact.
    over 1 year ago tommorrison responded:
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    I'm certainly a little amazed by the comments within these posts. Everyone here talks about ASAE as if its this thing that is suppose to do something for us and transform our lives without any effort on our part. Its like the person who walks in the back row of a church sits for the service and walks out thinking these are the most unfriendly people on earth. When in reality, they never were around enough to engage themselves in what could be a very beneficial place for them.

    If you received no benefits, did you know what kind of problems you were looking to solve, did you know what you should be looking for, were you reading or talking to the right people?

    I have found ideas at ASAE that I didn't even know where there until I showed up at conference and starting talking to people over cocktails. If you are going in the mine looking for dirt, you will get dirt. If you go in the mind looking for gold, you will find gold. I find gold every time I go to conference because I know what I'm looking for and the problems I'm trying to solve. And yes, our association has seen its surplus grow 465% in 5 years on those ideas.

    And yes everyone.... I know you can go spend hours reading blogs and getting information, but there is a difference in reading a blog and executing and idea with the greatest of success. ASAE allows us, as members, to come together as a whole to discuss our individual challenges and solutions in ways we don't get to in our office with people who have a depth of reality of what works and what doesn't.

    I think we spend too much time reading blogs from people who think they know what is going to work instead of quality face to face time diving into issues with people who are actually making it work.

    You can read all you want, but the real learning comes from sitting with a group of 8 to 12 people at dinner or individually over 3 days at a conference and brainstorming, sharing, creating and learning from others mistakes as well as stumbling across a new idea or two without the distractions of the office.

    ASAE allows us to have a forum to meet and build trust in what we read from someone can actually be deemed credible. If you believe what every blogger says in cyberspace, you will wish you paid your $100 in dues and $300 in conference to meet them. Not everything you read works. And not everything you read is reality for associations. Its just what someone "thinks".

    I'm a CEO of a small association with a 4 staff. We do the work of 7 very efficiently. Our association's net surplus has grown 465% in the last 5 years and our revenues per member have jumped 25% in the same time frame and we just finished a record year. Our membership held steady during the horrible economic downturn of 2009 and 2010. I can say its been through our direct engagement of ASAE and FSAE each year that we were able to get access to the best minds in the industry in one location to talk about the issues important to us that has helped us have that success.

    So much so that I pay for any staff member who wants to to join and attend. If would cost me way more money to bring those incredible minds to my office to hear what they have to say. Oh yeah, we could read there blogs, but there is no real quality time to dissect on idea or issue and brainstorm a plan to effectively make it work within a blog.

    Yes, I know ASAE isn't perfect, but who could be trying to make 18,000 people happy every year.

    One of the best values for associations in the future is they bring the important information filtered to us in some fashion or another because there is too much. You mentioned 15+ sites/blogs in your post that we could all follow instead of paying dues to ASAE. ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

    You spend more than $100 in time just reading those over one month.

    I would challenge everyone to rethink there philosophy of what ASAE and associations are about. You have lost your way.... They are there to allow us as "individuals" to do "together" what we are not able to do on our own. We have access to so many resources in information and people at our fingertips to help us succeed and the common bond that brings us together is ASAE.

    I attend all 4 of ASAE's major conferences and yes, I'm not even in DC area.... Not even close.

    over 1 year ago Jeffrey Cufaude responded:
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    I agree with some of Toms observations and think our associations need to make it easier to do two things he cites as valuable: (1) come together and do together that which we are not able (or it is too difficult) to do on our own, and (2) be highly competent filters for info. Unfortunately, some organizations actually make it harder to do both.

    BUT, and this is a big but, I believe Joe pointed out how easy it is for someone who is predisposed to be a Digital Native to make that happen on his/her own. Will it be the same quality? Who knows? But I can safely say I've received better insights from a blog post I learned of via Twitter than some content in officially sanctioned section association newsletters. It's the message not the medium and the content, not necessarily its creator.

    I don't want to go all Clay Shirky here, but the power today is in the organizing, not just the organization. We are all now more capable of doing for ourselves much of what our organizations previously did to/for us.

    over 1 year ago Cecilia Sepp (Facebook) responded:
    Dear Unhatched:
    Great blog post on ASAE. As you've seen in the comments, many of us see the problems in the organization that exist today and we aren't going to argue that what you say isn't true.

    For a long time, I've felt that ASAE has dropped the ball on leading us (the association community) into the future. I have always felt that ASAE should be setting the example for its member organizations to look to for inspiration and innovation.

    To me, ASAE should be the best association in the entire world. Why? That's their job.

    over 1 year ago Cecilia Sepp (Facebook) responded:
    I had "premature commentary" earlier so a few more thoughts:

    I have been a member of ASAE for many years. Like many associations, I found it hard to get my foot in the door but once I did, it was no problem. Human beings like to be comfortable so of course we tend to cluster with those we already know.

    It's takes effort to reach out to new people and for new people to step up and say hello. Who hasn't been the wallflower at the cocktail party? Risking rejection is difficult but the risk has many rewards in life in general and in ASAE specifically.

    That being said, it doesn't address your concerns about what is the point of your dues dollars? I often wonder that myself since I pay my own dues now and have for years.

    Like many of our own members I ask, "Why do I have to pay dues if I have to pay for everything else??" ASAE asks for dues, then asks us to pay to attend conferences, and then to pay for books and other products/services. If you just want my money, here's my wallet.

    To me, ASAE in a perfect world would be the laboratory where we test things. What would life be like without the lists? Can we get more than 300 people to "like" us on Facebook? If we stream the annual meeting, why can't we stream the lunch & learns or turn the clunky Volunteer Town Square into a streaming, vital "live" area that people actually want to use?

    Instead, ASAE seems to be taking steps backwards, like the "new" foundation just using the old name. No one knows what ASAE means outside of associations, so you name it "ASAE Foundation?" Really??

    All this being said, as J. Cufaude's mentor stated you can cope, confront, or quit. I choose not to quit and to continue to work toward that ASAE I know could exist.

    over 1 year ago Joe Flowers responded:
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    Cecilia and Tom - I'm sincerely happy to see some pro ASAE posts.

    Tom - you mentioned I spend more money in time reading blogs than I do paying for membership. How is that wrong? I have a blogroll of great FREE resources that provide me with more value than my membership has. I'm happy ASAE has provided you with value and you've found the benefit in its events and the association especially as a small association executive. As a 20-something small staff employee, I don't have the financial means to afford to go to one let alone all of the ASAE conferences and if I can track them for free online, why do I need a membership? I'm not a sit on the sidelines person and I got involved and participated. . .it just wasn't for me.

    Cecilia - You brought up a lot of great points. It does feel like the association is taking steps backwards sometimes. I'm glad there are members like you that are willing to stick it out and push for change. Hopefully you will help make the changes the association needs to thrive into the future with members that have struggles with where the value is.

    over 1 year ago Peg Hoffman (Facebook) responded:
    Just wondering if before you posted here Joe did you call ASAE? If ASAE called you now, would you take the call and give this feedback in person?

    I'm asking because as several people noted here we are in associations who are facing this same dilemma ... be relevant to a diverse membership. But we need to have open, ongoing conversations. We need members to "tell us" when they are leaving - not just announce publicly. And we need to reach out - unafraid -- to get the news. But how can we do that best?

    It seems one way is to ask, conjole, faciliate feedback. It seems that once a post like this appears (and by the way a similar conversation took place on the ASAE listserv recently!), we need to know how to reach out to the individual - personally. But bottom line, I'd really like to know that a member is struggling with the value question before they make up their mind.

    At the same time, I do believe that associations, like corporations, retailers, etc., need to understand and appreciate their true customer. We shouldn't try to be everything for everyone. None of our associations is right for all of its potential constituents. What you can help ASAE understand, Joe (and the others who have also opted out of ASAE), is how are you different or similar to loyal members - all in the journey to craft the true member and the true customer profile.

    Thanks for prompting the conversation.

    PS I did renew. I do use the listserv because they reach another segment of the membership :). I also love connecting in the open spaces (including those you mentioned. And I also gave to the ASAE Foundation because I believe its a good counter to two threats facing associations (here's my blog post on it http://ow.ly/3vJ8A)

    over 1 year ago Joe Flowers responded:
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    Peg - I would have no problem discussing my issues with ASAE in person or over the phone. I didn't talk to them before I decided not to renew because I didn't see the point. Our association's membership is by the company not the individual, but we try to get feedback should they not renew. My renewal notice came in the mail and I thought about sending a copy of my post in the return envelope provided. I don't think a more personable request for renewal than a bill would have changed my mind on my membership, but they should have a system in place to get feedback when members don't renew.
    over 1 year ago Elaine_Fogel (Twitter) responded:
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    As someone who has consulted with associations and conducted marketing workshops at conferences, I totally believe in the concept of associations. I am currently a member of three. That being said, there has been a huge shift in the way we all do business, no matter the sector.

    Any entity must bring value to those within its community. And sometimes, the organization itself has no control over the implementation of its value proposition and brand experience. In my case, it was the experience I had with members through the listserv. I do not live in the "Beltway" and cannot attend events, so I thought I could become part of the ASAE online community.

    Many members overtly resented having "vendors" participate in discussions, except if they were offering free advice. Whenever someone put out a request for a consultant or vendor in a particular specialty area, God forbid if a vendor member offered assistance. That was considered unacceptable. And this, when vendors and consultants pay more membership dues! You'd think members would want to support their own, but they don't. There's an "inside" group that have earned their place as suppliers of choice by doing the ASAE dance.

    In the course of many conversations, I received rude comments, slaps on the wrist for offering my expertise, and frankly, the unwritten protocols and ways of doing business were too much for me, so I didn't renew after one year of membership.

    I did discuss the matter with staff, but they cannot control what their own members say or do as long as the online rules are followed. What this association needs in a big way is a culture shift. "But, that's the way we've always done it," cannot sustain any group.

    Value, benefit, camaraderie, networking, and professional development are what association members look for, not rudeness, a haughty attitude, and an underlying message that one doesn't belong until you've proven yourself for a few years. How unfortunate.

    over 1 year ago tommorrison responded:
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    Nothing wrong with reading blogs Joe. I encourage it. But blogs are not where the real action takes place. Its when the people come together and turn those thoughts and ideas into plans and executable actions. You can't get that out of reading a blog but you can sitting with a group of people with common interests at a conference and talking about them.

    If you want to look at why ASAE isn't running forward to be the Google or Apple of associations, all you have to do is look at its leadership in both staff and board. Its not going to happen over night. ASAE is in a demographic transformation stage just like any other organization. As the traditional baby boomers begin to filter off the Board and staff and are replaced with younger creators, you will begin to see a dynamic shift towards more innovative thinking.

    I think they are trying, but because of the traditional resistance to stay safe and take little risks, its difficult for any organization with 18,000 members and 100+ employees to shift quickly.

    That being said, ASAE should not be the magic wand that delivers some piece of content that transforms your association. ASAE is nothing more than a playground of resources and ideas where we get to choose, play and learn. We get to choose the sessions we attend, the people we network with and conversations we have on ideas to solve the challenges we have in an association. I personally can say if you took time to hang out at conference with the group I hang out with, you would easily justify your investment in ASAE. I try and hang out with people that if I didn't attend one session, I still walk away with the content I needed to make positive change because of just networking with the best minds.

    You should not allow ASAE have the control to dictate your experience and what you are going to learn and where you learn it. I come prepared with a plan and I dictate my learning and networking experience. I feel that's why our association has walked away with ideas to grow us 465%.

    I really feel that there is a difference between a manager of an association and a leader of an association. In my opinion, leaders see the bigger picture and seek to invest in being with their counterparts to create and grow ideas as well as help others in the process.

    I use electronic and social media to the fullest extent to gain information, but the glue that brings it all together is the ability to meet through the forum ASAE together to bring ideas from paper to reality.

    over 1 year ago bethbrodovsky (Twitter) responded:
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    Joe,

    You've started a really interesting discussion. I joined, then dropped and then rejoined. I didn't really see a difference in the year I was absent - except for fewer emails. Many associations and organizations of all types think that constant emails communication is all that's needed to inform, invite and include members. I agree with everyone that members need to make an effort, but it seems that we sometimes absolve organizations from their responsibility in helping individual new members find their way through the maze. I firmly believe in ambassador programs - what I would call mentoring. I've stayed the longest in orgs that had someone call me and shepherd me through meeting people and finding aspects of the group that would interest me. One of the biggest failings I see is a lack of a new member/first year initiation efforts in member-driven organizations.

    Its also funny that I recognize every commenter here and have had actual (valuable) discussions with many. All met online, some turned to phone and in person relationships from there. I disagree that the real (or only) value comes from in-person connections. We are in an age when connections can be made many ways - and I'm a GenX not a digital native. I think the value comes from showing up regularly, contributing to the whole and giving before expecting to receive. That's networking 101 and I've seen that work as well in person as online.

    I definitely feel they see those of us who work with and not in associations as circling sharks. I am not sure if they were badly burned in the past by salesy-vendors, but online, the association support community seems just as invested in the conversation as the staff community. For now I am going to keep trying. Joe - I think everyone has to decide when they have maxed out their investment in an organization. Its better to move on than stay and feel bitter. You are smart to go when you are not enjoying the assn but before forcing it ruins what you like about your career. Hope you still come by #assnchat.

    over 1 year ago Cecilia Sepp (Facebook) responded:
    Hi, Joe,
    This is a great discussion and I have really enjoyed reading all the thoughts and comments. Thanks for the kind reply to my earlier post. : )

    Now, I'm curious: what would need to change for you to maintain your ASAE membership? If we want to create a valuable experience, we need to hear what should change, be tweaked, or tossed out.

    Is it culture, services, or what? Dream big, Joe!
    Thanks,
    Cecilia

    over 1 year ago Joe Flowers responded:
    Joe Flowers
    I am loving the contributions from everyone. Lots of great ideas are being given and it's great to see everyone's views on the topic.

    Tom - I know that ASAE won't be making drastic changes in the near future which is why I didn't renew. That being said, when changes are made and I see more value, you can bet I'll be back and happy to pay member dues. I also would have kept my membership if I had the ability to attend the conferences. I believe the face to face interactions are where the most value lies.

    Beth - I'm sticking with the association industry so you can bet I'll still hang around #assnchat for the foreseeable future. I stick around where I find the most value :)

    Cecilia - I don't know what exactly I would change. One key issue was that when I would get in the community to discuss ideas, I would find the same people I talk with on several different platforms discussing things there that we had already discussed elsewhere. Why pay dues for that? From a networking standpoint I didn't see the value which was a major reason for me joining in the first place.

    over 1 year ago VelChain (Twitter) responded:
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    Had to check back and see how the conversation was going here. My two additional thoughts are:

    1) On-boarding - Beth refers to this. The first year experience of any new member is critical. If you can get 'em hooked in the early going, the lifetime value soars! More associations (and businesses) need to invest more heavily in nailing the on-boarding process and building loyalty and value early.

    2) Blogs - Tom makes some interesting points. I'm a huge believer in face2face, but when you get a blog post like this one that has lots of great comments and discussion, it can provide comparable value to a face2face encounter. Blog posts themselves are OK, but the real gold is in the comments. Great posts can and do change behavior. Great posts provoke deeper thinking and help delve into challenging issues. Blogs will grow in importance as more people increase their confidence and speak their mind in open forums.

    Bonus - An offer to Joe. Will you give ASAE a second chance? I'll pay your membership dues for 2011?

    over 1 year ago jamienotter (Twitter) responded:
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    WOW!!!! I am officially on vacation so this will be a brief comment, but I hope to write more later because this conversation is so awesome. First, I don't think the issue is whether ASAE is good or not. Or even if it provides value or not. The issue is whether or not Joe (or any of us) should be members. Should we JOIN. Can't we come to the meetings as nonmembers? So it's not about f2f versus blogs either.

    What does it really mean to be a member of ASAE? What am I "in?"

    over 1 year ago tommorrison responded:
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    ValChain, you pay Joe's dues, I'll be his personal mentor for one year. I've been in association management as CEO for 15 years and am very active at both state and local level. Joe, I guarantee, you spend once a month brainstorming and talking association management for one year with this ASAE member and you will receive 10 times your investment into ASAE.

    Our association hasn't grown like it has from not being innovative and doing some pretty cool things. The key to growth is surrounding yourself with people who have achieved some success in their profession. That is the number one reason I've been able to achieve success.

    I'm willing to give back in that way to you Joe.

    As for your questions Jamie Notter, you should be a member. You should be able to attend as a non-member for a higher price and you are right... its not about blogs or face to face. Its about a blend of both. One transfers information. The other creates a depth of trust and a relationship.

    To maximize your growth and success, you need a blend of both. I think your writing is great Jamie, but its only through our face to face personal interaction that I have grown to trust and respect your input as a professional.

    over 1 year ago shellyalcorn (Twitter) responded:
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    So let me get this straight.....

    Dave is supposed to pay $100 to ASAE so Tom can have a direct mentoring relationship with Joe? The question comes back to - what does that $100 do to facilitate that relationship? Can Tom not mentor Joe without it? Does ASAE subsidize the phone lines or Internet access that will be used? Does ASAE monitor the conversations that will take place?

    The comments above seem to infer that without that $100, Tom won't be able to have a "real relationship" with Joe. Never mind the fact that we are having one RIGHT NOW.

    I am also going to assume I am misreading comments that seem to be making the case that persons who choose not to/cannot afford to pay the dues to affiliate with any association (ASAE or not) are less professional or less knowledgeable than their counterparts.

    We aren't even having this discussion on an ASAE platform! We are having this discussion with many different professionals and viewpoints on an independent blog post. Allow that irony to sink in for a moment if you will.

    Shelly

    PS - I am closer to dropping my dues than ever before.

    over 1 year ago Jeffrey Cufaude responded:
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    As Tom noted, "its not about blogs or face to face. Its about a blend of both. One transfers information. The other creates a depth of trust and a relationship."

    But I don't need ASAE or any other association to provide either of those. In the past two months, I emailed someone whose Twitter posts I found interesting and had an hour-long phone chat. After reading someone's blog all year, I met up with him one day for lunch while attending a conference in his hometown. No exchange of membership dues were involved in any of that. I've done the same on a personal level multiple times connecting with friends of friends on Facebook. And quite honestly, I'm hardly an extroverted guy when it comes to reaching out to people I don't know. But today it's Just. So. Easy.

    Sure, a shared association affiliation may open some doors or lead to some connections more quickly, particularly for those not using any form of social media. But that seems like a very insufficient value proposition when it comes to people's decisions about investing their professional development dollars. Shelly nails it. People can have real relationships without an association facilitating them.

    Yes, any association is a playground, lab, community ... pick your metaphor ... in which you get the most by getting engaged. But too many associations are acting like playground recess monitors for those roaming freely and creating value for themselves in areas that previously required association affiliation. It ain't pretty.

    We have to remember that kids like to play and learners like to learn. Neither require an association when playgrounds and learners are so abundant and accessible. So in terms of relationships unless an association facilitates (1) access to people I otherwise could not reach on my own, (2) deeper connections with people that it would be harder for me to achieve on my own, (3) rich opportunities to create solutions with colleagues supported by resources I can't easily acquire, or (4) introducing me to people I would have been unlikely to discover in other ways, one day only those who don't like to DIY will probably see member as valuable.

    over 1 year ago tommorrison responded:
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    I'm loving the 500 foot views by everyone in this conversation. Let me give you the 30,000 foot view. An association is a place who does so many other things besides create opportunities for networking and learning. It breathes life into the professionalism of the industry. Its the constant that brings consistency to the message of what we are about.

    Going back to my comment that associations do for us what we cannot do on our own.

    No one in this conversation can afford to or spend the time making sure people in this country understand what association management is about. ASAE can.

    None of us have the money or time to wage war on legislation that can have a negative impact on our ability to earn a living in this incredible industry. ASAE does.

    None of us have the money to lobby against crazy 990 provisions congress wants to have us go through because they are waging a war against non-profits in a time when tax dollars are needed. ASAE is.

    There are so many things that ASAE does that we don't see the direct daily impact but they have great impact on how we get to earn a living in the big picture.

    All those things take a lot of money to do successfully. I want ASAE there to help promote our industry and protect our ability to proper. so I can do my job with no worries. Do I feel a little offended because I pay into the system that gives non-dues paying members a free ride on those items. You bet. They aren't paying their fair share.

    ASAE represents and takes action on behalf of the association industry. so we can continue to do what we do. Dues paying members fund that process. Others are choosing to take a free ride.

    Am I willing to reach out and mentor someone who decides to pay dues and take responsibility for paying into their portion of industry representation. You bet.

    I call that growing into a leadership.

    Leaders don't ask the question... "whats in it for me?" Leaders ask, "How can I be a part of something bigger than myself that preserves and protects what I get to do."

    over 1 year ago Jeffrey Cufaude responded:
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    I don't have an altimeter so I don't know if what i'm about to say comes from 500 feet or 30,000. I find it interesting how some of the reasoning others have offered has moved from membership as an OPPORTUNITY (look at all the cool people you'll meet and the great things you'll do with them) to membership out of a sense of OBLIGATION (you need to pay your way because otherwise you're a freeloader).

    Both seem to be part of the legitimate reasons we choose to affiliate, but for me a sense of obligation is not as sustainable.

    Your mileage may vary.

    And FWIW, the ASAE dues invoice states that "14.85% of your dues are not deductible because of ASAE's lobbing activities on behalf of its members." So dues paying members are a small percentage of how advocacy goals are achieved.

    over 1 year ago tommorrison responded:
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    I love he discuss Jeff. One of the things I think about from your comments are does anyone have 14.85% of ASAE's budget to do the lobbying necessary to help keep our industry pure of adverse government regulation? Enough said. You just proved my point of why its important to have an engaged association like ASAE representing the industry.

    Jeffrey, you must have missed the front end of the comments regarding the blend of what membership is about. Membership is a fine blend of opportunities we get to pursue and obligation to help fund the things like training, advocacy and information services. Believe me, I'm not a huge advocacy person in terms of personally lobbying. But it has to be done and its expensive on its own.

    The association world is better with ASAE thriving. Its kind of like our government. Its not perfect, but its the best in the world. ASAE isn't perfect as no association is, but it is the largest representation that does what it does and it provides a forum for us to bring our issues to a unified body to make a difference.

    Lastly, anyone who is debating this issue seems to have serious challenges in believing why even their own association exists. Any industry is better if the association is a widely supported and thriving entity. You either believe what associations can do with a group of members or you don't. ASAE isn't doing horrible. Are they off track sometimes and maybe not seeing things correctly? Yes, but that is where people stand up with letters to the board of directors and share their thoughts pushing and challenging them to hear the message.

    ASAE will change as soon as we see a shift in the demographics of the Board of Directors and leadership. In the meantime, USE ASAE as a powerful resource because it has those and put yourself in a position to be one of the free thinkers who make their way to the Board. Some of you just might make a difference in the future in this industry.

    over 1 year ago Cecilia Sepp responded:

    This is a great discussion on the value of joining, but it is also about identity. If you join a like minded group, it is because you identify with them and believe you share things in common.
    It’s like saying “I’m a Redskins fan” or “I support the Capitals!” By identifying with a group, it forms a part of how we define ourselves and then relate to others. <o:p></o:p>

    By joining – or not joining – ASAE, you are making a statement about your identity. If you have come to a point where ASAE no longer represents part of your professional identity, then you will leave the group.<o:p></o:p>

    There is power in groups and by coming together, we can make more happen than we can by ourselves. We can improve our group and its culture, and forge an identity for our profession.  <o:p></o:p>

    From: Posterous [mailto:

    over 1 year ago tommorrison responded:
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    Let me ask you something Cecilia... If someone is truly looking for like common people professionally in the association field, do you really believe there is a group that doesn't exist?

    I've been a rabid networker over the last 5 years at ASAE and I can't find one segment that could not connect in with a like common group of people. They are there. I think some just don't know how to find them.

    On another note, I've always felt if you only look for like minded and common people professionally, you stunt your growth and never grow into a broad based leader in what you do professionally. Its essential in our field to hear, talk and understand many perspectives which is another huge reason for hanging with ASAE. Its all there.

    over 1 year ago Cecilia Sepp responded:

    Tom, you are an avid defender of ASAE. Good for you, because so am I. <o:p></o:p>

    However, you have decided that this conversation is about your views of ASAE and not accepting that others may want to expand the discussion into other areas. I was just pointing out another aspect of why people join groups, which is related to their professional identity. <o:p></o:p>

    Do you really think a plumber is going to join an association for association management professionals? No, because he/she will want to meet other people in their plumbing industry, whether its other plumbers or vendors of plumbing supplies. Thus “like minded” is an appropriate description of those who want to meet others in their profession – “we are all members of the plumbing industry.” <o:p></o:p>

    Like minded DOES NOT equal close minded or think the same. <o:p></o:p>

    I was talking about identifying with fellow professionals and how it affects our perception of ourselves. You are now accusing me – and others who want to meet those in our field – of being close minded and stunted because we want to meet other association professionals. Where did you get that interpretation? “Like minded” does NOT mean think the same. It means you have something in common, like wanting to join ASAE to support your profession and your own professional development.

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    How we identify ourselves – “I am an association professional” – is also important in why we join. Identity, self perception, and personal goals – who we want to be – all play into these decisions whether we consciously know this or not. <o:p></o:p>

    Just because some of us here question ASAE does not mean that we don’t like it or want to undermine it. Why don’t you get to know something about those of us who participate in these discussions? If you did, you would see we all participate, have currently or held in the past ASAE leadership positions, present at ASAE conferences, and write for ASAE publications. If you consider that not supporting and not participating in ASAE and not getting the most out of it by putting a lot into it, then we do not now, and never will, agree on what it means to participate fully and robustly in ASAE (or any other professional association).<o:p></o:p>

    From: Posterous [mailto:

    over 1 year ago tommorrison responded:
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    Good comments Celilia. The entire discussion started over someone not feeling ASAE offered them "value" for their dues dollars. I wasn't defending ASAE. I was defending the notion of associations in general. ASAE just happen to be the one talked about. My points all along have been for every association in general:

    1) If you don't find value in your association, you either don't know what you are looking for or don't know how to find it. (this assumes the association is truly providing a good array of opportunities for people.... I believe ASAE truly does.)

    2) In associations, those wanting to grow as leaders don't ask "What's in it for me... they ask, "How can I be a part of something that is protecting and preserving the industry I get to participate in while also achieving professional growth opportunities."

    3) Associations do a lot of intangible and tangible things for us that we "cannot" do individually and industries with well supported associations do have better focus within the industry. There has to be a sun among every universe of members. per se.

    Thanks for being an avid supporter. I do respect and listen to those who seem to not really get the association thing. I just think they are missing out on so much. I'm passionate about associations in general and their impact because both FSAE and ASAE have played major roles in my over all development personally over 15 years, grown my network of colleagues tremendously as well has help generate the ideas for our association to achieve the incredible growth during a time when most associations are just hanging on.

    Keep the passion!!! Now off to the beach and celebrate NEW YEARS!!!!

    over 1 year ago shellyalcorn (Twitter) responded:
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    Now I'm mad.

    You were invited into Joe's online house so he could tell you the truth about how he feels, how he maturely evaluated his options and made a choice that fits his life. People have denigrated his choice, intimated that he simply doesn't know what he's doing, didn't fully engage or, my goodness, is somehow not a supporter of the whole.

    You owe Joe an apology and you also owe every blogger who was mentioned in this string, every other poster who told the truth about why they didn't join or renew and you also owe Jeffrey Cufaude and others an apology for insinuating they are "500" foot thinkers. You owe Sandra an apology for crediting ASAE with her idea. You owe every association professional in the world who is struggling financially an apology for saying they should just pony up the money and if they can't, they aren't worthy of attention and support. These are my friends who are challenging the status quo and good for them for doing it.

    Want to be a leader? Then ask hard questions. Want to be a thought leader? Then don't revert to membership 101 and use Play #10 in a 10 play book "but without you we won't be as powerful legislatively." Want to be innovative? Try new arguments and not regurgitating the same old platitudes about membership and how everyone should be in this together and those who choose not to be aren't as smart, or sophisticated as others who do.

    I'm leaving Joe's house now because now I'm the one pushing over lamps in his virtual living room. But you've been awful, dismissive and disrespectful in the name of passion. I find that unacceptable, intolerant and I'm not wasting any more of my time on it.

    Shelly

    over 1 year ago Jeffrey Cufaude responded:
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    This has been a fascinating thread, one I will continue to think about for some time. I appreciate the chance to learn from everyone who has posted.

    And FWIW, I'm not sure those seen as "not getting the association thing" are the ones who don't get it.

    over 1 year ago tommorrison responded:
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    Hello Shelly. Regarding apologizing to Joe.... He has had some pretty active and exciting replies to his feelings and he should be proud to have thrown himself out there like this and caused people's convictions to take center. Way to go Joe. Many more need to do what you have done. Generate engaging conversation that leads to people's views and convictions being challenged.

    I appreciate your comments Shelly and respect your opinion and feeling for being mad. It means we are all actually moving a discussion past lets all feel good together. When we are challenged we grow. Regarding challenging the status quo, sorry, I just don't feel canceling membership is challenging the status quo. Its walking away from the challenge itself. But that's a path people choose and I'm good with that. I just think they are missing out.

    I'm happy to say lets agree that we disagree and move from there. Shelly, I'm just challenged by people who are in the business of convincing people to the values of membership in their association and they actually are better at finding reasons for people to not be a member. That isn't an indictment of anyone on this thread. I see it all the time and it gets to me.

    But we live in a country where people have the freedom to make their own decisions. I love that. I offered to mentor Joe out of my passion and care of people in the association industry and profession. He wanted someone to reach out from ASAE... that's what I did.

    Anyone who knows me, knows that is a genuine offer. Joe, the offer still stands.

    over 1 year ago Joe Flowers responded:
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    I'm overwhelmed by all the amazing comments that you guys posted. What started off as me just venting my frustration has become a discussion that reminded me just how sharp my fellow association people are. I've had some deeper conversations on the matter through e-mail, facebook and twitter.

    I'm honored by VelChain's offer to pay my next year of dues and it's something I will strongly consider, but for right now my decision to not renew will stay my decision. For me, the level of thought and opinion each of you put in to your responses has given me so much to think about. I don't think anyone owes me an apology. . .especially for expressing their feelings. I'm not offended by anything anyone on here said. I may not see eye to eye with an opinion, but that's what makes the discussion interesting.

    I'm planning on reaching out to my local SAE to see if I can get more involved locally with some of the many association professionals in Dallas and the surrounding areas. I'll of course be documenting my experience on here (with the usual random mix of postings I usually do).

    Again, you all have been great and I love seeing all the comments. Feel free to keep up the discussion and, as always, I'm here to talk too :)

    over 1 year ago David Gammel responded:
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    If you're in the association world, it's always good to be a member of a couple different groups just to keep yourself close to the experience. Can you imagine Ben and Jerry's having been a success if Ben and Jerry hadn't eaten a LOT of ice cream along the way?

    Good on you for looking into local options which sound like a great fit given your current needs and resources.

    over 1 year ago kpwhorton (Twitter) responded:
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    This has been a fun discussion! Obviously based on your volume of comments you're very plugged in--and perhaps you've maxed out on the benefit you wanted out of an association membership. I agree with Frank that a disenchanted $100 member doesn't have much of a long-term future for the organization anyway--I'm sure servicing cost per member is well north of $100 anyway. I like Maggie but not sure a young member is worth more than members in our age range. I suspect you wouldn't like it if all your own members abruptly abandoned ship because you weren't worth the dues but after some point, these conversations are 'more about you (the customer)' than they are about the association's offering. If I was ASAE I'd try to find way to make sure I make more than $100 off the typical YAP and/or increase lifetime value by making a more favorable impression on younger staff in the future... They haven't made much of an impression on me over the years and yet here I am 18 years later still paying my $395.. :O(
    over 1 year ago jmcnichol (Twitter) responded:
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    What an interesting discussion. I think ASAE has a bit of a unique challenge in the association community because association professionals come from such a wide variety of fields. I am first and foremost a HR person. I've been a SHRM member since college and I have no intention of letting that membership lapse. For over 20 years, I've worked in an association. I was an ASAE member for awhile early on. I didn't find it valuable, so I let it lapse. In 2009, I decided to earn my CAE, so I rejoined. (I guess after 20+ years in an association I finally accepted that I'm an association professional.)

    I'm puzzled by this comment from Tom, "I can't find one segment that could not connect in with a like common group of people" at ASAE. So Tom, where are the HR professional interested in workplace wellness at ASAE? Honestly, I don't expect one affiliation will meet all my needs.

    Joe, I really get your position. It's why I let my membership lapse for so many years and I still don't feel a long term commitment to ASAE the way I do SHRM.

    over 1 year ago tommorrison responded:
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    There are many CEO's and I'm one of them who is the HR Director by default who are very interested in wellness programs and discussion. We too are making those choices to help lower our healthcare costs inside our association. We also have many members who discuss those issues with us as CEO's about how to use wellness programs to impact their employees payroll deduction, premium increases and overall health and morale of the group. The great thing I've learned about networking is that its not just people like me who are dealing with my issues. There are others I wouldn't think of who need and want to have that conversation and can learn from it. So knowing that, you do have an incredible opportunity to connect with others that deal with the same issues and even give the CEO's perspective on it. They just don't have the same title.
    over 1 year ago Liz Jayankura Jones (Facebook) responded:
    First, I love, love that this post is still going. It is a true testament to the great minds in our industry that sincerely care about engagement in our profession.

    I let my ASAE membership lapse for years and renewed this year only because my employer has offered to pay for it. I have to wonder, why my employer wants me to be part of ASAE in the first place? Not sure about others, but they will not be monitoring how much I actually participate in ASAE events. I think they want me to be aware and check out what different associations are doing for marketing, membership, etc.

    My employer will likely attribute any enrichment/education I get this year to my ASAE membership and involvement. But the real credit should probably go my interaction with professional on social media and other free resources cited in this post.

    I guess different people need different motivations to get the job done. For some, seeking out the plethora of free resources available is motivating enough. But for others, it's the comfort of knowing that they can turn to ASAE if they need to that motivates their continuing involvement.

    over 1 year ago Joe Flowers responded:
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    I was e-mailed this comment with permission to re-post it. I think it's an extremely well put response.

    From Ellen:

    Love this discussion! When planning education events when I was a trade association, I used to think hard about what we could do in setting up the session that our members couldn't do on their own. In our case, many members have known each other for years and years. Most were in charge of their travel and expense budgets. They called and e-mailed each other A LOT. And they visited each other frequently. (It was also the hospitality business -- where focus is on people, people, people.) So it was a very real possibility that someday they would just say, "What do we need the association for? We already have made connections... we can (and already do) visit each other for all that ftf time and networking... what more is there?"

    Well, there's plenty. And it actually goes beyond simple "face-to-face networking is better than networking online" (which is a generality waiting to be pulled apart if ever there was one).

    It comes down to contribution. Not just what the association can contribute to its members. Not just what members can get from other members. But what members can GIVE.

    Here's an example. I just became a member of an organization and when I went through their brief introduction of what being a member meant, I was given a sheet of paper for identifying the various committees and volunteer activities I wanted to be involved with. I noted about four committees and a couple of other tasks. Within days (DAYS -- not weeks!) I had heard from committee members from each of the groups. In most cases I was a member of the committee just by virtue of having said I was interested.

    Talk about feeling welcomed and appreciated! In each meeting when I introduce myself and say I'm a new member, I'm warmly greeted and welcomed again.

    I already feel at home and eager to contribute in any way I can.

    I disagree with an earlier commenter who wrote that people feeling left out of an organization ought to spend more time getting themselves involved. Yes, we should get involved as new members. But it's a two-way street. ASAE, like so many huge organizations, is teetering under its own weight. It's hard to know its members as individuals -- except those who really stand out -- so it's especially difficult to identify new members and make them feel so welcomed that they're immediately involved and committed.

    Still, they need to try. They need to find ways to plug those new members into the community.

    Joe's right. We can get a lot of professional insight and continue our own professional development pretty well without an association membership these days. The biggest benefit for some potential members might not be what they can GET from a membership -- but what they can GIVE. And it's up to the association to be receptive to those offerings, and to find ways to accept and nurture them.

    Thanks for letting me contribute to this discussion!

    over 1 year ago lindydreyer (Twitter) responded:
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    Joe, you're awesome. Do what you need to do. In truth, you're still a member of the ASAE community, whether you pay dues or not. My one comment - this conversation was probably worth your $100. It wouldn't have happened without you invoking ASAE, and without the passion all of us feel, one way or the other, about the organization.

    I'm renewing. I meet and learn from more new people by invoking ASAE--in person, online, by email, wherever--than I do any other way. That's value enough for me. For now, anyway.

    over 1 year ago NathanVictoria (Twitter) responded:
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    One of my goals this year is to get more involved in the social media community, so first of all, Joe, thanks for giving me a venue to start my goal.

    I recently renewed my ASAE membership (I'm also in the YAP category), and my association agreed to pay my dues. But even if my association didn't agree to pay, I most likely would have renewed. Why you ask?

    As Stephanie stated way above in the string about her DELP involvement, I currently serve on the Diversity Committee for ASAE. I fully recognize it is the pay to play mentality that roped me in, but I am committed to these issues and making the association community a more welcoming environment.

    I recognize that I could do this work without the involvement of ASAE, which I currently do in other roles, but by connecting with the larger community and history that is ASAE, I find that the potential for my impact is much greater. The Diversity Committee, along with my involvement with The Association of the Future, also "on-boarded" me into ASAE and ASAE's culture. If I weren't part of these two tangible groups, would I be as apt to renew...probably not.

    Finally, I recognize $100.00 is a lot to those of us on an association professional salary, but divide that up by the number of times I eat out or beers that I get after work....it isn't really that much.

    Thanks Joe, and all of the other commentators, for this lively post. If nothing else, this gives me a lot of food for thought for my annual conference in March. I know I sure will be asking my members "what are you 'in?'"

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